Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Share

    Wouter
    Member

    Posts : 158
    Join date : 2010-02-18
    Age : 26
    Location : Netherlands

    Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by Wouter on Sun May 01, 2011 5:35 am

    Gentlemen,

    I have a number of RWR flashes, of which I think only 1 is a genuine wartime made shoulder title. The other 5 I am not so sure about. I tried this on another forum a long time ago and they thought that they were original, I thought they weren't. Let's give this another shot, as I am interested in what you think. Images are all clickable thumbnails.








    Wouter

    Wouter
    Member

    Posts : 158
    Join date : 2010-02-18
    Age : 26
    Location : Netherlands

    Re: Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by Wouter on Sun May 01, 2011 5:38 am

    Forgot to add, I also have this one which I believe to be an original English made specimen.


    Bill
    Moderator

    Posts : 983
    Join date : 2009-11-28

    Re: Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by Bill on Sun May 01, 2011 6:27 am

    Hello Wouter, Unfortunately, these titles pretty well have to be handled to establish or get a feel for the time period. Some of the guidelines for wartime R Wpg R titles include: white (oyster) coloured embroidery on black. The dark green is post war.
    As your tiles all appear to be white on black, it puts them in the wartime period.
    In reference to the English pattern title, is it unworn? I have yet to see an image of these pattern titles in wear.

    LSR
    Member

    Posts : 139
    Join date : 2010-11-19
    Location : Twente- The Netherlands

    Re: Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by LSR on Tue May 03, 2011 3:25 pm

    Hello Bill,can you explain to us why the embroidered white on green RWR titles are post-war?
    There are also canvas white on green titles,are they post-war to.
    A while ago I also followed the discussion on the other forum that Wouter talkes about.

    Cheers Henk-Jan

    Bill
    Moderator

    Posts : 983
    Join date : 2009-11-28

    Re: Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by Bill on Tue May 03, 2011 3:54 pm

    Hello Henk-Jan, The R Wpg R's first title was the triangular "black devil" title. With the shape and the devil inside, it was difficult and therefore expensive to make. It was authorized to be replaced by the white (oyster coloured) embroidered title on black. The black was reflective of their rifles' heritage. However, some information suggests that the colour was supposed to be "rifle green" which in the R Wpg R case was a very very dark green. It appears the manufacturers couldn't get a dark dark green and substituted a black. After the war when the unit returned to Canada, they switched to the dark green as it was supposed to be the correct colour for regimental titles. (One can argue that the dark green used in the late 40's and 50's was not a true rifle green as it was not dark enough.)
    Canadian army printed titles were discontinued at the end of the war. The only maker was a British company called Calico Printers, at their Broad Oaks Print Works. The company silk screened the designs on a cotton material. The cotton material was made in different finishes, and one was a cotton drill. Calico tried to print dark rifle green titles on this material, but the product wasn't acceptable. It "grayed" out on the cotton drill. So, CMHQ authorized Calico to change to a medium green ink on the cotton drill. These titles were not acceptable. Calico was asked to get the proper type made and they switched to a satin cotton drill which took the ink dyes much better. They are the white on black issue.

    Wouter
    Member

    Posts : 158
    Join date : 2010-02-18
    Age : 26
    Location : Netherlands

    Re: Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by Wouter on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:18 am

    Hello Bill, sorry for the delay, but the English made title does seem to be unworn. I picked it up from ebay a while ago.

    Fred McQueen
    New Member

    Posts : 7
    Join date : 2011-10-21
    Age : 29
    Location : Caen, Normandy

    Re: Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by Fred McQueen on Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:08 am

    Hello,

    Here are some of my RWR stuff.
    The upper board is RWR Stuff with no history "Anonymous titles"
    In the lower board, titles and insignias are gifts from Vets or Vets family.



    Hope you'll like them

    Sponsored content

    Re: Royal Winnipeg Rifles flashes

    Post by Sponsored content Today at 9:24 pm


      Current date/time is Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:24 pm