Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

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    Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by jholl72 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:40 am

    Hey guys,

    Trying to research this uniform and I cannot find an exact match for it. Canadian militia buttons, cuff rank, but it doesn't have a lapel collar to it and its a five button pattern. I've seen the style of collar closure before on eary pattern tunics but not in khaki.
    Anyone got an idea to what it is?


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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by jholl72 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:59 pm

    The fellas over at the Great War Forum have supplied me with this iformation:

    That is the style of Service Dress (SD) collar worn by both, commissioned officers and warrant officers, from the introduction of SD in 1902, until modification to the collar was made to facilitate the wearing beneath of a soft collared shirt and tie, in 1908. After 1908 it continued in use by the warrant officers of infantry and cavalry only until around 1922 (+/-). The fifth (uppermost) button was removed as no longer necessary after the rever collar was introduced in 1908.

    And this:

    The open neck collar was promulgated by AO279 of 1913.

    As the shoulder straps are not detachable (1902-1904) or twisted cord (1904-1913), I'd say it's just around 1913 when the switch to sewn down shoulder straps took place (and before the collar change or the Canadians caught up with the regs!!).

    Shouldn't have had shoulder titles fitted, strictly speaking, but maybe that's a Canadian thing.

    Not unknown to see these style tunics in France in 1914, as the scramble to add manpower fast got underway.
    And 1921 or 22 was when, if I recall correctly (can't lay hands on the order), was when cuff rank itself was formally abolished.


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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by Michael Reintjes on Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:51 pm

    I have photos of officers of the 24th Grey's horse and even 7TH CMR wearing this pattern during the War...Cavalry units definitely kept wearing this style during the first War..

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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by Michael Reintjes on Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:54 pm

    I will try and locate the photos and post if you'd like...

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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

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    Cavalry pattern Jacket...

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    Its a great Jacket you have there and One I,ve looked for years for....if you ever get tired of it... :)

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    7th CMR Officer

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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by jholl72 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:31 pm

    Some great photo's there Michael, thanks for posting them. I just bought it, in fact it hasn't even arrived yet, don't know about getting tired of it as of yet. Shoot me a PM though, if you want...it doesn't hurt to talk.


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    7th CMR Officers..

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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by jholl72 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:04 pm

    It finally arrived today. Here are a few more pics, not sure if the number in the sleeve is a service number, I've looked it up and there is one fella whose attestation papers indicate prior militia service, but still need to do some more digging.


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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by servicepub on Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:52 pm

    Officers did not have Regimental Numbers. This may be a tailor's tracking/order number or something else (a lot number for an auction,..)


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    Re: Cuff rank tunic, what pattern?

    Post by Michael Reintjes on Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:14 pm

    wonderful jacket.....again..if you ever tire of it bothering you...:)

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