First War Officers Haversack

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    thegate
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    First War Officers Haversack

    Post by thegate on Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:43 pm

    Hi guys,
    First War Officers private purchase Haversack. Condition will rate a good as the leather off one of the straps is broken and one of the buckles is damaged. Came from a Canadian officers estate in Quebec.
    Only marking a not identified "C".

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by Wgrenadier on Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:37 pm

    Very cool haversack thegate! party2

    I've heard this style was popular with US officers as well...

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by thegate on Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:46 am

    Thank you,
    Yes indeed, but the strap was deferential and typical made in USA.
    As here


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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by Wgrenadier on Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:00 pm

    Oh wow, cool! I didn't know that was the difference! Thanks for explaining and posting the additional pictures (is that haversack also from your collection?).

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by ypres on Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:13 am

    From my experience, Canadian Haversacks had both types of straps. If you wanted to put the haversack on your Sam Browne rig you would get the haversack with clips; if not, you would use the other that would go over your shoulder and chest.

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by thegate on Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:32 pm

    Not in my collection.
    In fact Ypres is right, it is my error, the bag is British made, for US Officers
    We can see with "US" Broad Arrow marking


    You can find this article on sale to
    www.baystatemilitaria.com

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    'Borad Arrow' US

    Post by edstorey on Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:07 pm

    That 'Broad Arrow' US stamp would cause me some concern.

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by ypres on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:16 am

    I have seen this broad arrow US stamp on several haversacks that were made in England for US officers. Many US pattern hats and tunics were made in England and are WD broad arrow marked. Dealers often mistakenly describe these items as British.

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    Broad Arrow US Stamp

    Post by edstorey on Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:54 am

    I agree that British made ordnance supplied US military clothing and equipment items do contain a broad arrow stamp, but this Broad Arrow US stamp on an Officer's Haversack gives me the impression that it was added latter to enhance the sales potential.

    As well Officer's clothing and equipment, such as this Haversack, were private purchase items and therefore were not subject to ordnance acceptance and stamps - so why would this particular item contain such a stamp?

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by ypres on Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:21 am

    I'm not really sure. I would hypothesize that there was a "Lend Lease" type agreement in place and perhaps haversacks were part of the issue. I am sure that the broad arrow US stamp (Perhaps not for this haversack) is a genuine marking that appears on various WWI US kit.

    Here are a few threads on a US Militaria forum that shows some similar marks.

    http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32071-1918-british-made-us-musette-bag/

    http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/47057-wwi-british-made-us-marked-disparch-case-1918-dated/

    Thanks,

    Ypres


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    First War Haversack Markings

    Post by edstorey on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:47 am

    That Broad Arrow/US stamp could well indeed be legitimate, but for me at least, it does cause some concern. The problem with using other forum posts is that neither thread discussed in any great depth the actual markings, nor did any of the collectors really seem to grasp why a US Officer would be using a British disigned Haversack.

    'Lend/Lease' was a WWII program although I do believe that during WWI there was some for of reciprocal agreement in place between the UK/US in which some items of US clothing were manufactured in the UK. My knowledge on WWI US clothing and equipment is quite limited so I would certainly turn to someone with more experience and knowledge in this field to perhaps give some advice.

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by Wgrenadier on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:24 pm

    WWI markings are always tough given the scarcity of extant examples with legible markings for comparison!

    It took me forever to correctly identify the markings on a P14 haversack in my collection. Thanks to jholl72 posting photos of his WWI webbing, I was able to figure out that my haversack was made by Waring & Gillow, Ltd.

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    Re: First War Officers Haversack

    Post by ypres on Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:53 pm

    I agree. Even though the exact meaning behind the Broad Arrow US markings on the bags illustrated is not exactly known, in my opinion, it is still an original marking that can be found on US WWI gear that was manufactured in the UK during the later part of the War. As Ed has stated it would be nice to get some clarification from a US equipment collector who has more info on this stamp.

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