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    Post by ypres on Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:50 pm

    I was wondering whether anyone has an opinion on the lot of CEF Formation patches listed on eBay lately. Vendor states they all came off a blanket which I am sure is true. I have been after these things for 40 years and have never seen so many with the same backing on the reverse? it also seems many of the two piece patches have the white portion glued to them? I have seen original railway troops patches and they are oversized and have a open middle not a white square superimposed on red? I have also seen original trench mortar patches and they have a qualification patch superimposed on the div patch, not a small blue grenade? Any other thoughts? As always, I am eager to learn.

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    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-WW1-RAILWAY-TROOPS-PATCH-EXC/222912660115?hash=item33e6a14293:g:-G8AAOSwTPRaxqHz

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-WW1-CANADIAN-PATCH-FOR-THE-1ST-AUX-H-T-COMPANY-EXC/222912942150?hash=item33e6a59046:g:1MIAAOSwWUlaxwNd

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-CANADIAN-WW1-1ST-DIVISION-TROOPS-PATCH-EXC/222914105894?hash=item33e6b75226:g:E00AAOSwQapayEr2

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/RARE-ORIGINAL-CANADIAN-WW1-2nd-COMPANY-TUNNELING-TROOPS-PATCH-EXC/222914104122?hash=item33e6b74b3a:g:yXQAAOSw7jtayEm7
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    Post by Bill on Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:44 am

    Hi Rick, of interest, this is the THIRD round of CEF patches coming out of the same place in Arizona, but being sold by at least two different names. Some thoughts. In 1917 and 1918, the Historical Section of the Canadian army overseas petitioned all Canadian Corps units for descriptions and examples of their patches. The returns were incomplete, and well into the 1920's the Historical Section was still trying to get descriptions and examples. Yet, these ladies had access to every patch, both early and late in some cases, and were able to sew them on three blankets. I too have been accumulating CEF patches for over 30 years, and I have a small accumulation. The ones I have acquired are notable for the different materials and the inconsistent sizes and variations in fabric colours. The patches coming out of Arizona are amazing in the consistency of fabric type, and colours. Likewise, some of the patches on offer are different sizes and styles than patches that have been authenticated.
    I have had some of the Arizona patches in hand and they feel and smell old. Some have a really odd rubbery backing material. They pass the burn and uv tests.
    The method of issuing patches during the First WW needs to be considered. After they were authorized in 1916, the Canadian Corps had many of the patches locally procured or allowed the Battalions to purchase material and indent for reimbursement. The patches were not ordnance issued until late in the war. And that was in the UK / France and Flanders. How the ladies would acquire these in Canada to sew on the blankets is an interesting question.
    After examining these, it is not possible to conclusively say they are fraudulent, but neither is it possible to conclude they are authentic. Caveat emptor.
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    Post by ypres on Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:48 pm

    They're back!!!

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/WWI-Fort-Garry-Horse-shoulder-patch-Pair/113259707954?hash=item1a5ecdfe32:g:ygAAAOSwX8FbovcX

    Why do these all look the same … down to the cat hair and staining!

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    Post by Jonhno on Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:24 pm

    just tuned in with 8 mins to go
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    Post by ypres on Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:16 pm

    I hope the buyer is happy with their purchase.

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    Post by Bill on Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:41 pm

    Pretty significant chunk of cash.
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    Post by Tankermike on Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:48 am

    I have purchased cap badges from the seller before and was happy with my purchase.

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    Post by ypres on Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:47 pm

    Mike,

    I'm sure the seller is 100% honest and reputable. The post was never about the honesty or dishonesty of sellers. It was about the authenticity of the patches discussed. I've been in many shops and stalls over the years and have seen many repros on the shelves of sellers I implicitly trust. Although I try to purchase "good" items, I'm sure I have some repros in my collection as well. The owner of a shop can't be an expert in everything. That's why I deal with sellers who offer a 100% lifetime refund. It doesn't mean that items I find questionable are not good. At the end of the day, the buyer needs to make a determination, hopefully not based on the seller's opinion but based on their own knowledge. Personally I only try to buy items I am 100% sure on and are identical to verified examples. I'm not saying there are not theatre made or one offs. I just stay away from them. Really this is all immaterial until we try to resell what we own. It's always difficult to admit making a mistake when no one wants to purchase that rare First Can Para BD.... It looked good when I bought it and I was told it was obtained from the vet who owned it? A story is just a story.

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    Post by ypres on Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:40 am


    It looks like they are back!

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/WWI-formation-patches/113649911458?hash=item1a761006a2:g:vqgAAOSwuDFcahyr

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/WWI-TRENCH-MORTAR-flaming-grenades-formation-patches/113649907958?hash=item1a760ff8f6:g:a8wAAOSw3Cdcahu7

    The trench mortar patches are intriguing. Is there any evidence that these types of cut out patches even existed? Would it not make more sense that the trench mortar skills at arms was sewn on the formation patch? The book, "Military Antiques and Collectibles of the Great War" apparently has original examples from a source complied shortly after the war which shows the skill at arms patch sewn over the formation patch.

    The Nicholson book has drawings in it that people take as gospel. Forgers use this page to create patches. A great example is the "Railway Troops" formation patch. In the book it looks like the patch is a red square with a white square in the centre. The uniform I have in my collection has a patch that is a red square with a "cut out centre" which means you can see the uniform cloth in the middle! This was confirmed by a helmet I observed at a show that had this formation patch painted to both sides. It did not have white squares painted on it. I have seen uniforms, that I believe have been made up, with a red and white patch worn on both arms.

    As always, this is just my personal opinion. Any information regarding this would be greatly welcomed.

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