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    airborne666
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    UN helmet ?

    Post by airborne666 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:42 pm

    What do you think about this helmet ? périod ? mission?

    The helmet on the right !












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    Helmet Identification

    Post by edstorey on Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:00 pm

    Rather than all of us doing the work, you tell us what you know about this helmet. I am guessing you want to buy it.

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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by airborne666 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:02 pm

    Yes I want to buy it :)

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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by mk1rceme on Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:43 pm

    Looks American to me...the paint scheme I mean.


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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by airborne666 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:48 pm

    not canadian ?

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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by mk1rceme on Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:11 pm

    Not saying it isn't, it just has characteristics of US style MP helmet markings. Things could be different for UN missions though. The remnant of that decal on the front screams US too.


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    UN Helmet Collecting - 101

    Post by edstorey on Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:56 pm

    The point I am trying to make is that if you want to collect militaria, then you have to learn what you are collecting. If you were in a situation where that helmet liner was for sale and you had to buy it at the time you saw it, would you be able to make an educated an informed decision on your own without consulting this forum. Personally, I don't think so. I am not trying to be mean, rude or condescending; but what I am trying to get you to understand is that you need to research and study there area that you are attempting to collect - then buy.

    The Canadian Army used the US M1 Helmet for 50 years, there are several books on the M1 that if you buy, read and study them; then you will be armed with the knowledge to effectively pursue this hobby. If you are still at the stage where you cannot tell the difference between a WWII M1 and a post-WWII M1, let alone if it was employed by a UN force, then you might want to rethink what you are collecting.

    I know you profess an interest in Canadian UN material which is great considering you can potentially build and interesting collection without having to sell a kidney but, and I know I keep saying this, you need the knowledge in order to effectively build your UN collection.

    My advice is, first go to the Service Publications website and buy 'Tin Lids' by Roger Lucy, it is only $30.00 and will get you started on helmet details. If you want to learn more, and you should, go on line and buy 'The M1 Helmet Book' by Mark Reynosa, it is $35.00. Read both so that you can spout chapter and verse on M1 Helmets. This $65.00 investment in knowledge could potentially save you hundreds of dollars.

    Finally, search around and buy every edition of Sentinel Magazine that you can find. Sentinel was a CF monthly magazine published from 1964 until about 1994ish that covered all aspects of CF life including, get this, UN operations. It is loaded with photographs and some text. Study very carefully the photographs of Canadians on UN missions and absorb what they are wearing, and carrying; the information contained within those magazines will help you and as a bonus they are not very expensive.

    These three steps will get you started. Good luck, now go out there and research M1 helmets and tell us why you think you should buy it.

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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by airborne666 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:46 pm

    Sorry but I didn't buy this helmet and I post in this section the helmet because I never see a UN with a white stripe on it.

    I never ask advice for my collection ! I have probably 15 M1 in my collection and I know how to do the difference between a ww2 helmet and a post war helmet ! The helmet that you see is a Westinghouse m1 liner mod m51 paint in UN blue I have no more explication it's why I post in this section !

    I use this forum because it's very difficult to find a canadian military forum in FRENCH because I live in Québec (I know my English is bad) and it's my first language. I collect not just the canadian militaria.

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    Identifying a Helmet

    Post by edstorey on Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:26 pm

    Your English is not bad at all, it is very good, so do not sell yourself short. There was also a French version of Sentinel titled Sentinelle.

    Great, you finally provided some information on the liner that you knew and was not provided by the forum. Since you have never seen a UN helmet with a white stripe, do you think it is correct? How much is the vendor asking for the liner?

    Have you gone to the Service Publications website? Look at this. http://servicepub.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/canadian-unef-recce-squadron-helmets/

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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by airborne666 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:03 pm

    40$ for the helmet ! What was painted the UN helmet for the canadian troop in congo ?

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    Post by edstorey on Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:44 am

    At $40.00 you cannot go wrong on the helmet liner even if it turns out not to be UN related.

    "What was painted on the UN helmet for the Canadian troop in congo?" Well you are the UN collector, that is what you are suppose to be researching. If you want me to do the work then you might as well give me the address of the vendor so that I could buy it if I wanted to.


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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by airborne666 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:36 pm

    For 40$ it's good to take the helmet ?

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    UN helmet

    Post by Tankermike on Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:36 pm


    I don’t think its a Canadian UN helmet, where are the remnants of the UN sticker or the globe and wreath?

    Service Publications has a description of UN helmets, none even come close to this one, other than being robins egg blue.

    Also I don’t not recall the white stripe on any Canadian UN helmets, that’s usually an American theme.

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    Re: UN helmet ?

    Post by recceboy on Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:37 pm

    Gents, as Ed stated this is not a Helmet but a liner.
    These liners were worn by many different nations during UN operations and markings were various for each nation. There must be photos of this being worn , we just have to dig them up.......

    Lets hope that one of us here can help with the ID.
    It is not MP liner from the Congo as they should have been with MP on the front of the helmet:
    http://mpmuseum.org/index3.html

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