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    Canadian first pattern fiber Dispatch Rider helmet flashed to the Military Police

    kozowy1967
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    Post by kozowy1967 Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:30 am

    Morning gents I added this early first pattern fiber, pulp Dispatch Rider helmet to my collection some time ago the helmet body and liner are spot on with the exception of the draw string running through the liner head bands which I think is a replacement.
    IMO the helmet body was manufactured by the Sponge Rubber Co, as it appears to be unmarked this will require a little more research on my part the liner of course was manufactured by Backstay Standards and is in a size 7 3/4 and is dated to 1944 .
    My concerns are really in regard to the painted MP flash on the helmet body which would appear to have been redone at least once in its service life as I am trying to discern weather the MP flash replaced the RP flash late war or early post war I can just about find no information and or period images of Canadian DR helmets painted in such a fashion banghead 
    I have only ever seen one example similar to this DP helmet it is a 1942 dated Spalding and it resides in the collection of Roger Lucy and is shown on page 23 of Tin Lids he states the livery seems to date from the 50's but offers no sort of information to support his theory I have discussed this particular helmet with a few advanced collectors and it would seem that there is a division in thought as to when this type of flash would have been applied on a white painted helmet so any thoughts and or opinions would be appreciated as I collect Canadian WW II and post war alike it is still without a doubt a top shelf helmet in my collection just trying to discern what era it would have been used in.
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    Post by pylon1357 Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:55 am

    I have no idea when this helmet would have been used. My only thought is that during hostilities, this white painted lid would be like a light-bulb, drawing much unwanted attention. I for one would not want to be wearing it in a hostile environment.

    Having said that, I do like it.


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    kozowy1967
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    Post by kozowy1967 Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:08 am

    Thanks Cliff I could not agree more there is no period evidence that the HCDR were ever worn in the ETO we used the HSDR which would have provided far better protection from a fall and or light enemy fire and shrapnel.
    I can find supporting evidence in the form of images that show we did use the HCDR in country and GB during the war years though the earlier example being produced by spalding.

    Regards Mark

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