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    Post by BC Canada on Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:32 pm

    So excited to have picked this up today from a Co-worker.
    It’s been sitting on his stereo for years after acquiring it through his brother from a townhall
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    Post by Bill on Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:55 am

    Nice helmet.
    What makes it an officer's?
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    Post by BC Canada on Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:05 am

    The insignia is for the 5th Division officers
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    Post by ypres on Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:44 pm

    Very nice helmet. I believe it is the insignia of the 5th division which was worn by all ranks of the division in France which including officer's and other ranks. The second division had a similar C II patch worn by officer's so many collectors believe the practice was the same in the 5th division because the symbols are similar. There was small contingent of 5th div, mainly artillery I believe, which was active in France. I have a similar helmet named to an OR.

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    Post by Bill on Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:14 pm

    Rick replied with what I was going to say. All ranks wore the helmet with that marking. The 5th Div batteries went to France and were Cdn Corps assets.
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    Post by 37patt on Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:16 am

    Clive Law states in his book "Distinguishing Patches" that officers in the 5th Division wore the square 'C' with the 5 bars inside while in the UK.

    Clive also states that there is no record of the individual battalions wearing a distinctive shape with the basic patch.

    Would the men not have worn the garnet rectangle as that was the Divisional patch and the officers the square 'C' as was used in the UK?

    With the division, with the exception of the artillery assets, spending the war in the UK it strikes me that the officers would have used the mark to distinguish themselves from the other ranks as mentioned by Clive making the helmets owner an officer.

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    Post by ypres on Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:43 pm

    Respectfully, your idea about the fifth div spending the war in England is not true. The fifth div elements in England were moved to France where they fought as members of infantry battalions in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th divisions. Therefore, 5th Div elements in France were very small. The variety of flashes found in the other divisions did not exist because there were no units in the field. They probably painted the patch of their new unit on their helmets.

    All remaining members of the 5th Div, regardless of rank, would have painted the CIIIII symbol on their helmets. The divisional artillery was in the field and you can find uniforms and helmets to these formations. I have collected helmets for over 40 years and have handled over a hundred WWI examples over that period. I have never seen a 5th div infantry battalion patched helmet. I have handled and seen a dozen or so fifth helmets all of which had this patch painted to the front. I have 2 examples of this type of helmet in my collection presently, one of which is named to a gunner in the artillery.

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    Post by ypres on Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:16 am

    Just our luck ... one came up for sale on this site

    https://www.germanmilitaria.com/OtherNations/photos/C030484.html

    Here is his service record

    https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=432904

    His rank is "Gunner"
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    Post by BC Canada on Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:15 pm

    Thank you all for the information. I saw that helmet come up today on collectors guild and was going to search up the history myself so I thank you for saving some time for me.

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